Disgraced financier and convicted pedophile jeffrey epstein he said it was Donald Trump“His best friend for 10 years” in the newly released audio recorded by writer Michael Wolff.

In an interview with Wolff in August 2017, Epstein revealed details of his more than decade-long relationship with the New York real estate mogul. Audio excerpts from the conversation at The Daily Beast on Saturday.

In recordings reviewed and verified by The Daily Beast, the late businessman describes his one-time friend in different terms, calling him both “charming” and a “terrible person.” The tapes will be discussed in more detail Monday on Wolff’s “Fire and Fury” podcast.

“He’s fascinating. He is deceptively charming,” Epstein said on the record.

“In a way, it’s a typical tragedy where he believes his own bullshit,” he continued. “He has delusions of grandiosity, and then he admits it.”

During the meeting, which took place two years before Epstein died by suicide in 2019 after being hit with child sex trafficking charges, Epstein also called Trump a petulant, untrustworthy womanizer.

“He does bad things to his best friends, his best friends’ wives, anyone whose trust he tries to gain in the first place, and he uses that to do bad things to them,” said Epstein.

Elsewhere in the interview, the late millionaire claimed that Trump was still a “smart” businessman despite being “functionally illiterate.”

“He’s great at real estate deals. He is a salesman. “He really knows real estate very well.” Epstein said. “Is there anything else? He doesn’t know anything. No history, no strategy. … He absolutely can’t read a balance sheet, which is hilarious.”

Trump once called Epstein a “great guy.” 2002 interview with New York magazineShe distanced herself from the former banker after his arrest in 2019.

“I can tell you, I wasn’t a fan of his,” Trump said. he told a team of White House reporters In that case.

The former president’s campaign team attacked Wolff’s reporting in a response to The Daily Beast, saying the story was full of “outlandish false smears” that amounted to “election interference.”

HuffPost has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment.

Inside A separate Daily Beast article was also published on SaturdayWolff said he decided to release parts of the Epstein interview after a new woman came forward. Sexual assault accusation against Trump late last month.