The podcast was filmed on Friday, the same day Harris held a campaign rally in Houston. abortion rights. Pop superstar Beyoncé, her mother Tina Knowles and former bandmate Kelly Rowland were at the rally. spoke in support of the Democratic ticket.

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Harris spoke on Brown’s podcast about a range of topics, including her family background as the eldest daughter of divorced parents, her longtime friendships and family, abortion rights, religion and her moral argument against the former President. Donald Trump.

“This is not 2016 or 2020. He is also becoming increasingly unstable and unstable,” Harris said of Trump.

“Picture the Oval Office in your mind,” Harris continued. “Imagine Donald Trump sitting there on January 20, 2025, going through his list of enemies. Sitting there thinking about Americans working on my to-do list as opposed to what I was planning to do. “That’s a big difference.”

The vice president also told Brown it was a “very real fear” that Trump would surround himself with loyalists if he is re-elected president, and pointed to his former chief of staff, John Kelly, who warned that Trump meets the requirements. definition of fascist.

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“Look, the members of the political party who know Donald Trump best, who work with him, who work with him in the Oval Office, in the Situation Room, who is his chief of staff, and who has been speaking out recently, is a four-star Marine general,” he continued. did Harris. “His national security adviser, two secretaries of defense and the former vice president have said he is unfit to serve as president and is dangerous.”

Harris’ appearance with Brown follows Trump’s appearance on the podcast of Joe Rogan, a popular host with a large male audience. After much criticism that she was hiding from the press and the public in the early days of this summer campaign, Harris strengthened her media strategy with meetings with various journalists and podcasters. CNN town hall event.

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The election is being set up as a referendum on gender voting habits, as Harris and her allies seek to boost turnout among women by pointing to the Supreme Court’s overturn of the decision Roe v. wadeTrump’s campaign mainly masculinity themes to garner support from male voters.

“We have to be vigilant and remember that we can never take our rights for granted,” Harris said after Brown spoke about pregnant women skipping a speech to educators in San Antonio because they feared the city’s abortion laws.

“Going back to your conversation with people about whether they should be very active in this election, knocking on doors and telling people why they care, why this is important, why they should vote: Today is the day,” Harris continued. “The idea that in this year of our Lord 2024, women in the United States do not have the right to make decisions about their own bodies. I mean, what could be more fundamental than that?”

The nearly hour-long podcast also focused on more lighthearted topics, like Harris’ fondness for Venn diagrams, her collaborative leadership style, her love of Sunday family gatherings and her deliberate preference for fighting to win the election.

“My lived experience is knowing that the vast majority of us have more in common than what divides us,” Harris said before laughing with Brown. “Gen Z and others… have a meme about me and my obsession with Venn diagrams. “I love Venn diagrams.”

As Harris reflected on this summer’s Democratic National Convention, she claimed her ideology helped her get into the presidential ring.

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“If you know what you stand for, you know what to fight for, it’s not fighting for the sake of fighting,” Harris said.

“I defend women’s freedom to make decisions about their own bodies,” she continued. “I stand for the fact that we must treat each other with dignity and respect. I advocate the proposition that we need to lift up working people and give them access to opportunity. These are the kinds of things I advocate for. That’s why I fight for them.”