Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with a house full of kids.

And the same goes even for Kim Kardashian. Actually, Keeping up with the Kardashians The graduate recently spoke candidly about the challenges of being a mother to herself and her ex-husband Kanye WestHe has four children, North11, Saint8, Chicago6 and Psalm5.

“I think you and I mostly connected over parenting,” Kim told her friend. Zoe Winkler on the November 12 episode of iHeartRadio What’s in Winkler? podcast. “And even though we have great support systems and people around us, it’s the judgment and feeling like you’re in this alone sometimes.”

“But sometimes in the middle of the night,” he continued, “they wake up kicking you and crying and waking you up while they’re all asleep in your bed; it’s not something I talk about too much because I always feel like there’s a lot going on.” Don’t judge or people will always jump in saying, ‘Oh, but you have the resources to have nannies and get help.’ And no matter what kind of help I get, I basically feel like I have to raise four kids on my own.