In her first appearance on the wildly popular show Joe Rogan Experience podcast, former president and 2024 GOP candidate Donald Trump He touched on cultural and political issues he has addressed in the past.

He noted that if he had been president, the Ukraine war would not have happened; complained that moderators did not adequately check Kamala Harris during their single debate; and doubled down on his views that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen from him.

At one point during the three-hour call, Joe Rogan asked Trump, whom he has been urging for the past four years, to explain in more detail how the election was stolen. The former president began a long and rambling response, pointing out that some changes to the election law had not been properly approved.

While Rogan asked for concrete examples, Trump said, “This election was so crooked, it was the most crooked election.”

“Okay, let’s start, let’s start from the top and the easy ones. They needed regulatory approval to do the things they did, but in many cases they didn’t get it. They didn’t understand,” he said, and the podcast host asked again, “What kind of things?” he asked.

“Anything,” Trump continued, and Rogan asked, “Legislative approval?” he asked.

“Like extending the voting, voting earlier. All different things. By law, they had to get legislative approval,” the presidential candidate said. “You don’t need to go any further than that. If you look at Wisconsin, they pretty much admitted that the election was rigged and robbed and stolen. In some counties they didn’t give access to the ballots because the ballots weren’t signed. They weren’t authentic. They… We can get into that. And the ballots.” We can enter, we can also enter the general, I will give you another way.”

When Rogan asked him if he would provide that evidence, he replied, “Uh.” As the conversation continued, Trump appeared to admit that he lost the 2020 election before backtracking on what he said and correcting himself.

“I lost… I didn’t lose but they say I did, Joe,” he said. “They say I lost by 22,000 votes, which is less than a tenth of 1 percent. “22,000 votes spread over this period is a tiny thing.”

Trump is trying to get the male youth vote, and an interview on Rogan’s show is a huge reward for the candidates, as the show, which recently launched exclusively on Spotify, is now available on other platforms, including Apple Podcasts and YouTube. Vice President Kamala Harris is also trying to drum up interest among male voters, and since the weekly show’s audience is 81 percent male and more than 50 percent are under 35, a Rogan interview could certainly be helpful. According to YouGov survey.

In August, Rogan made comments that many interpreted as supporting independent presidential candidate Robert Kennedy Jr. A MAGA backlash ensued following his comments, and Trump quickly added to the pile, attempting to provoke eventual fight fans into attacking Rogan himself. He wrote on the Truth Social platform“It will be interesting to see how loudly BOOED Joe Rogan gets when he next enters the UFC Ring. MAGA2024.”

Rogan later clarified that his comments were as follows: did not equal a confirmation Kennedy withdrew from the race immediately after the back-and-forth. Kennedy continued to support Trump for the presidency.

Before Rogan, Trump appeared on podcasts such as: This Week with Theo Vaughn And Full Submission. Meanwhile, Harris visited Call His Father podcast, as well as Howard Stern’s Sirius XM show. The podcasts come as their campaigns near their end and point to a new strategy around non-traditional media interviews from both candidates. Voting shows Those appearances may not have the impact their teams were hoping for, he said, as fewer than 30 percent of survey respondents over the age of 18 have listened to podcast guest spots from either candidate.

In addition to hosting his podcast, Rogan serves as a commentator for mixed martial arts promotion company Ultimate Fighting Championship. Trump also has close ties to the organization, as he considers Dana White a close friend. White also spoke about Trump at the Republican National Convention.